0422 raw mtg notes

Previous meeting notes

Presences

• Renoir (scribe)
• Doug
• Eliot
• Jen
• Amelia
• Elizer (on IRC only)
• Frozenice (on IRC only)

Agenda

• Compatibility Table Project
• Flag templates
• Web Platform Wednesday: SVG
• Review of open action items
• Amelia’s introduction

Compatibility Table project

Doug: Renoir made a scrip that imports content from MDN and converts it to objects.

… we have problem to get a portion of the data

… Issue has been raised, and contacted MDN on (see here in our own project GitHub repo)

… we contacted MDN, they cannot help us

… we have something working but still have missing data

… ptressel is currently working on an Apache Nutch scraping project that we can pass our importer against.

… it will prevent to overload servers, and guarantee us to have as much data as possible

… effectively going around the limitation problem

Doug: Renoir is working on SSO stuff.

… more on this later

… hopefully next week Renoir will switch workpile back on CompatTable

… and have it deployed on the main wiki

Doug: Is asking about … with @@

… to write a blog post related to CompaTables

… [logistics]

ACTION: Doug to sync with Eliot about a Blog post announcing Compatibility tables

[Doug giving context to Amelia]

Renoir pointing to Amelia a test example at http://w3c-test.org/webstorage/storage_local_getitem.html

Based off of https://github.com/w3c/web-platform-tests ^

TOPIC Flag and templates

[asking if eliezerb is there, confirming]

[+eliezerb: Yes!]

[we’ll add it to the meeting]

Doug: We’ve had ability to add templates

… flags on templates

… do we know enough; How do we script against SMW so we can trigger flags on or off.

… does anybody else can help on that

[Doug will talk with eliezerb about what we can do, and what is missing]

Jen: [asks about how to use, and is offering to help]

Doug: We have a solution. But the solution is that we are to remove the old flags, and put the new flags in. But they will all be unchecked

… this is where the script will be usefull. To read what was the old flags, and activate on the new flag model

… using a script

Eliot: I think that this summarizes where we ended up with flags in the mailing list archive, in December 2013

[+eliezerb: We have another mail comming, under renoirb review]

[Jen is suggesting that we manually adjust flags on each page. It’ll be a good way to also have an inventory of what we have]

Renoir: [Mentions to the conf call about the email that elizer sent Renoir]

Jen: Suggesting to have a first pass

… instead of a Google Docs, to have a mediawiki managed list of the pages

… will be more useful in the long run

… essentially to have a list of all pages in some way by readyness order

Eliot: suggests that we have a “flagger” badge (or something else more clever)

… for those participating in the manual work.

… There are 5 states, last would be “not marked yet” so we can use it as a TODO

[confirming the concept of Flags and how to list it]

[Amelia says that she’s been reading SMW lately]

Doug: Asking Eliot about the current flags

Eliot: The list of flags is available from the mailing list archive

… will be very nice to have such “TODO”

[Doug confirms]

Project idea: Walk through ALL CSS content, with a list view based on the “new” flag system, listing by "not flagged at all", then while walking through, contributors will be able to flag appropriately.

eliot, can you confirm ^

just to be sure it makes sense

[renoir asks Eliot to validate]

Eliot: What we’ll have is a set of “readiness” flags: ready to use, almost ready, etc.

Jen: Design wise it will be more useful than a set of flages.

Doug: Asking how do we execute on it

Eliot: …and then, we can add details in a comment box about what specific deficiencies are there.

… suggesting that we could leverage the “dropdown” concept

… and since its not a checkbox, we can state a default state. That’s where we can say “not flagged at all” … as a TODO list.

[Renoir summarizing the concepts to see agreements, all agreed]

Jen: Wonders if we are actually using MW flags, or something that seems like it.

AmeliaBR: could be an addition and not delete the old flags

Doug: [Reminding about flags and the side effects]

Jen: Strongly suggests to add the flags at the bottom (as metadata), maybe not render them, and stop using RED. Its metadata, not big warning.

Doug: Confirming they should be at the bottom of both views, edit and view … view.

Jen: Asks that we can make sure we can list pages with same flags

ACTION: To ensure that flag links leads to a page listing pages that has same flag on them

+eliezerb: See [/docs/Special:SearchByProperty/Content_quality_flag/Incomplete List of flags link]

… See also Frozenice’s special form to list pages based on flags at "User:Frozenice/Customized_Lists_Test&action=formedit", use as example, or view the source

… or re-use the “Template:Configurable_Query” template as the content of a page with the query you want to see results.

Doug: Suggesting to remove temporarily the flags (without deleting the data) and put the readyness

… workflow. So later we can read the data from the former tags, remove the barrier of “red flags” for the short term, and later we’ll script and re-use that data later on.

… the idea is to remove the edition of them, just keep the data without displaying nor editing it

… we’ll query it later.

… and focus on the readyness dropdown

eliezerb, shepazu said he’d have a talk with you later.

Eliot: Suggests shepazu to make an implementation proposal on the mailing list

… Shepazu is asking Jen if she can.

[Jen agrees]

[Eliot: +1 to the efficacy of the new solution using readiness states

Doug: We should have a way to query pages based on flags or other properties

AmeliaBR: Example of flag search (this is linked from one of the help pages for beginners, shows all pages with “Needs Summary”): Semantic MediaWiki Query Editor view

Renoir validated how to query, points out address and other know tools

… Documentation page for Semantic MediaWik query API

… you can see frozenice’s WPD stats info utility

… page example “border radius”

… Or see for a property possible values, e.g. Content_quality_flag, and query them from the Special:SearchByProperty view

Eliot: Could do something like the W3C specs use. See this for the blue stripe: in TR/html-polyglot, see the blue stripe

… Doug pulls foot from mouth

Quick status

Jen worked on: Editor guide,

… proposed changes for links

… working on editing pages. Consolidating. Going to keep working.

… deleting pages ultimately. Please provide feedback

… some pages were moved and others moved twice, so we need to check on navigation links.

… says if somebody can go to docsprint in europoe